February 14, 2006
Peter Manfredo Jr Defeats Scott Pemberton in 3 Rounds
After two disappointing losses to Sergio Mora in 2005, Peter Manfredo, 25-3 (11), has greatly improved his standing with this, his biggest victory to date. For Scott Pemberton, 29-5-1 (25), the curtain may be closing on what had been a magnificent late period career, as this comes hard after a similarly one sided handling at the hands of IBF Champion Jeff Lacy last fall.
Round one: the first begins with both fighters bolting to the center of the ring a! nd pawing at each other with jabs. The size difference between Pemberton and Manfredo is apparent from the beginning, with Pemberton being the bigger of the two. Manfredo is the first to follow up on his jab with an overhand right that lands to the side of Pemberton’s head. Manfredo follows that momentum with another jab, followed by a right hook that finds it’s target. Manfredo is pushing the pace of the fight so far and has proved able to get inside and land his straight right. With twenty seconds left in the round, Manfredo lands another straight right hand that sends Pemberton stumbling back to the ropes. Manfredo lands one more right hand in the closing seconds in what was a dominant round for Manfredo.
Round two: Much like the first, both fighters come out of the corner jabbing at each other in center ring without l! anding. Also as in the initial stanza, Manfredo follows the jab again with another right hand that sends Pemberton into the ropes, covering up. The younger man chases Pemberton to the ropes and unloads with a barrage of scoring hooks to the body and caps it off with a left hook upstairs that lands to the jaw of Pemberton. The fight gets back to the center of the ring and Manfredo continues to establish his early dominance, stalking Pemberton around the ring with his jab. The round closes with Pemberton throwing and landing his right hand often.
Round three: The third starts with Mandredo bolting over to Pemberton’s side of the ring, where he stumbles “The Sandman†with an overhand right to the jaw and then downs him with an uppercut. Pemberton rises and Manfredo continues his onslaught with a series of hooks upstairs with the older man on the ropes. Manfredo lands a very wide left hook that sends Pemberton down yet again. The M! assachussets veteran gets up once again but is immediately tagged with an overhand right that prompts the referee to stop the fight.
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TODD
02/15/2006 at 7:12 pm
I want to say that I’m surprised, shocked, and disappointed that Manfredo beat this contender, thereby recasting Manfredo as a worthy contender for a Mora-Manfredo III and providing ESPN (i.e. the makers of The Contender) the public image capital to promote it.
From the little information provided here about Pemberton, he may be in the twilight of his career and losing first to Lacy, then to Manfredo, affirms it’s time to retire.
I still think Manfredo’s career is on the decline, although this victory has halted it, at least until he fights again, which I suspect will be Mora.
Mora himself could use a fight before meeting Manfredo, perhaps with Gomez from The Contender, who beat the crap out of Manfredo the first bout of the show.
Any information on Pemberton would be appreciated.
Ken Savage
02/15/2006 at 8:48 pm
Good to see you’re open to giving Peter Manfredo Jr a chance, Todd.
Mark
02/16/2006 at 8:44 am
Bottom Line… Mora won the first fight outworked Manfredo clearly. Mora wanted the win more he was hungry for it. The second fight most likely went to mora because of the locale rather then boxing scores. The roles were reversed in this fight Manfredo was the agressor Moras face was bloody from the start…. Manfredo was a different fighter against Pemberton he was hungry himself his career is clearly not on a decline having started the contender he had nothing to really fight for with a perfect record he was the man to beat he underestimated the competition… Just watch what will happen to Mora should there me a third fight I predict KO in the 7th round.
Kevin Bailey
02/16/2006 at 7:39 pm
Mora is a fraud. The Contender format defeated Manfredo, as much as his opponents did. I mean, FIVE rounds?!? What a joke! If they fight again, Mora will go down early, often, and hard…unless, of course, they fight in front of Mora-friendly judges again.
TODD
02/17/2006 at 8:11 pm
Hey Kevin, did you watch the same two fights I did??? Mora go down…hard? Are you kidding?
Kevin Bailey
02/17/2006 at 9:57 pm
Manfredo dominated the second fight. It wasn’t even close, and the only reason Mora won was his hometown judges. Mora hits VERY lightly. I don’t think he could knock out my 3-year-old nephew. Manfredo was thrown by the format of the first fight. It won’t happen again. How many ranked fighters has Mora knocked out lately?
Nate
02/18/2006 at 5:53 pm
heres what alot of people do not know. pemberton is a good fighter who spent the latter part of his carrer contending for the championship. Manfredo Jr is a completely different boxer, since working with freddy roach. considered by most as one of the best trainers in boxing today. Manfredo will continue to improve as a boxer with Roach’s guidance.
TODD
02/19/2006 at 12:14 am
Kevin, first of all, you say, Manfredo was thrown by the format?? The guy couldn’t even stand up at the end of the first bout; did you see how the cameras cut off the long walk he took back to his corner the last round with his arm hanging like a piece of meat around the ref’s neck???!! True, Mora’s got a light punch, but let’s face facts, Manfredo got an ass-whooping that first fight and decisively lost the second. He gets Mora bleeding early on and can’t close the deal. I mean, how couldn’t he have taken Mora’s eye out with that gusher????? I admit that Mora lost a few of those rounds, but the scoring was right, Manfredo lost 10-9, the end. I don’t see how this trainer from heaven is going to change what’s innately apparent, Manfredo lacks the big punch (so does Mora). And he’s lost a fight to Gomez not so long ago, who was what, two weight classes under him?
The only way you Manfredo fans will admit the guy is a mediocre boxer is if Mora put him on his ass, which, in Mora’s case, is tough, since he’s got power problems of his own.
True, Mora hasn’t fought a real contender, but then again, Manfredo boasted that he was ranked “3rd in the World.” So, I guess Mora’s victories over Manfredo count as being a ranked contender, right?
charlotte
02/19/2006 at 11:25 am
heya guys im bk lol
wat is it with everyone still going on about the manfredo and mora fight
Peter isnt going on about it no more and niether shud u lot!!
xxxxx
TODD
02/19/2006 at 6:54 pm
Charlotte, you know we luv ya and u r our hero…welcome back Char!
Kevin Bailey
02/19/2006 at 7:40 pm
If you think that Manfredo even LOST that second fight–more or less DECISIVELY lost the second fight–you either know nothing about boxing, or you were one of the three judges who committed that screw job. Manfredo is a completely different–and better–fighter now that his father isn’t his trainer. Manfredo’s a real fighter, who just whipped a real fighter in three. Do you know who Pemberton fought before Manfredo? He fought for the championship against Lacy. And he lost basically the same way he lost to Manfredo. Mora’s a weak ass nobody, and if you talk to boxing insiders, they’d tell you that Manfredo’s a MUCH better fighter than Mora–his upside is WAY higher.
TODD
02/19/2006 at 10:40 pm
Again, am I the only person in this room who saw Manfredo walk to his corner punch drunk the first bout?? Look, people want to keep whining about the second fight because Mora’s eye was cut early on…the sight of blood has a heavy psychological effect on viewers, but what I saw was Manfredo unable to close the deal. He had some good rounds, especially the first two, and then he started sliding, and I don’t recall when exactly, but midway through Mora had a huge round, and that was consequential to the outcome. Look, again, Manfredo had the guy bloodied, why couldn’t he have taken Mora out, blood and all?
I’m not kidding when I tell you that I was routing for Manfredo that 2nd fight…just look at my previous comments in the other blog here.
Who is this new trainer, god? Look, you can hire a private writing coach too, but if you don’t have the know-how, and I’m talking on a very intuitive level, then you’re not going to be a great writer. You may improve some, but never, ever produce anything significant. Same with boxing. You can show somebody how to punch, but if they don’t have the Ali shuffle, then it ain’t happening. The very insinuation of having a “natural skill or talent” is something Americans reject. Yet, Julius Erving, Shack, Joe Montana, and other sports greats we readily accept as having “natural” talent.
Manfredo lacks a killer punch and so does Mora. Each time they met I felt like I was watching a pillow fight, though Mora really hammered Manfredo some good shots late in the first bout.
If you want the truth, I’m an Anthony Bonsante fan and I wish they give him a shot at fighting Mora or Manfredo, because the guy’s got a heart of steel and passion to fight till the death. That’s not saying Mora/Manfredo don’t, Bonsante is just an animal, inwardly and outwardly, which is why he’s a brawler in the ring; he can’t contain himself, his gumption to kill somebody in the ring. Gotta love it boyz and girlz.
charlotte
02/20/2006 at 6:16 am
kevin if you werew tlking to me about peter manfredo i have gotta say i no him more than any1 on this site!(he is my cousin)
I do agree on wat u r saying tho exsept the bit about mora!
Even tho Mora beat Manfredo Mora is still a good fighter but in the rematch manfredo won by far!
Manfredo is in betta shape now than he has ever been and he is ready for his next fight!
lv ya xxxxxxxxxx
TODD
02/20/2006 at 5:46 pm
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see Manfredo win some fights. Is it fair to say that he looked his best in Gomez II? I think Gomez might have a shot at taking out Mora, the guy’s got heart and fire.
Kevin Bailey
02/20/2006 at 5:54 pm
NO ONE “had a shot” at taking out Mora in that second fight. Sugar Ray in his prime would’ve been judged to have been outpointed, if Mora had just been able to stand up for the whole fight. Those three judges decided who they wanted to win (hometown boy) and they made sure he did. If I were Manfredo, I wouldn’t give Mora the time of day now. He got royally screwed in that second fight, and then knocked out a man whose last fight had been for the championship against Jeff Lacy. Manfredo will most likely break into the top 10 at some point soon. He would have everything to lose and nothing to gain by fighting Mora again. Mora is NOT highly-regarded, and isn’t even that high quality of a talent.
BTW, I agree whole-heartedly about Bonsante. By FAR my favorite fighter from the Contender. And the screw job those three judges put on him during his Brinkley fight made the one put on Manfredo look like straight scoring! Bonsante DESTROYED Brinkley! I don’t care what you say, the scoring that night was dirty.
TODD
02/22/2006 at 4:06 am
I agree Kevin, Bonsante got robbed to that little rolly-polly egghead too lazy to get into shape for a fight with a huge purse. Bum. Bonsante is an animal, he doesn’t care who he fights. For the judges to rob him of that victory was obscene, but in the long-term, I think it’s helped recast him from his Contender image — manipulative and deceptive to having the heart to win the fight. I’m not sure he won the fight hands-down because he tended to stay away and avoid toe-to-toeing with Brinkley for feat that he’d see stars again after that Brinkley uppercut that almost took off his head the first go-around.
The scores for Mora-Manfredo were fair, 10-9, 10-9, 10-9, from what I recall it. That corresponded with several reliable sources as well. The hometown argument is empty; Brinkley is from the mid-west and yet the judges scored it in his favor. Yet the fat was hanging off his lower back like jello.
I’d like to see Mora knock out Manfredo once and for all – I mean, I like Manfredo, but he got a real ass kicking from Gomez, and then they voted him back on and he loses the big fight, and needed the ref’s help to get back to his corner – the guy was out of it, momentarily, because he got bitch-slapped!
YOU SAID THAT “Mora is NOT highly-regarded, and isn’t even that high quality of a talent.” Yet, why did he get bitch-slapped like that? Why are you whining about the 2nd bout when you can clearly see that Mora landed more punches, even though, comparitively, he let off less punches.
Manfredo in the 10 Ten? Yea right, when pigs fly.
Charlotte
02/22/2006 at 9:07 am
i tell ya who i wud like to c fight and it might b happening is mora and gomez!
I saw Gomez da other day and he is in top condition and has worked very hard with a new trainer he has addapted his style.
It would be one hell of a fight and i wud pay to c it!
TODD
02/24/2006 at 12:07 am
I hear you Char — I’d love to see Gomez-Mora. I suspect Mora would have a really tough time fighting him because he’d be afraid to get hit by a hammer punch. Now take Gomez, the guy can punch, and he has a knock-out punch, that’s the difference.
Now, Gomez got a real beating from Manfredo -after the fight, he looked like he fell off a three-story building into charred glass. Then again, he stood toe-to-toe with Manfredo, and had Manfredo not stepped it up that last round, he would have lost.
Gomez, Mora, Manfredo all have heart, but least of all, Manfredo. I say this based on Mora-Manfredo I, when he comes out of the locker, he’s acknowledging people in the crowd, slapping five, smiling for the cameras. Mora comes out with the face of steel, shuts everybody out around him, besides his mother. He went in and gave Manfredo the bitch-slapping of his life. In fact, if you watch the final round, Mora licks blood from the cut above his eye and proceeds to wail on Manfredo like a pinjata!
yuma
02/26/2006 at 12:39 am
peter you are the best boxer in the world i think u should accept the ramatch against sergio he is an asshole he thinks he is all that just because he beat YOU (the best of all) im into boxing myself im in a boxing gym i think that if you knocked out SCOTT PEMBERTON you can beat sergio like you beat ALFONZO the only thing you have to do is BE THE MAN WITH THE BIGGEST HEART IN THE RING because sergio’s strategy is that even if you are really hurting him he is never going to show you that it actually hurts so you just have to keep giving it your all even if it seems it is not working
i really admire you you are a great example for me
jenny begum
03/07/2006 at 7:42 am
peter is the best and i wish hin all the best luch for his carrer.
robin
03/07/2006 at 2:17 pm
i think peter is a joke infact i belive i could whip him mora beat him down not once but twice mora is the man rhode island is a joke
robin
03/07/2006 at 2:23 pm
i got to tell you peter aint the man sergio is the man and he proved it to manfredo twice i think peter is the once been of providence not the pride of providence for sure if i live in providence i’d make that loser move outta state hes a inbarassment to all of rhode island SERGIO IS THE CONTENDER AND UNTIL HE IS BEAT HE IS THE MAN YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT PETER MANFREDO NEEDS TO PUT UP HIS GLOVES
TODD
03/07/2006 at 9:21 pm
Peter M.’s career is 7 minutes from being over—if he gets knocked out his next fight, his career will officially be over, because he’ll have lost any credibility he scratched off his Pemberton victory. The big test will come when he fights Mora or some other top contender, not some guy like Pemberton whose career was on its way to ending before Manfredo showed up in the ring.
Hey, let’s see what Manfredo’s got for his next fight…I’d just hate to see him stagger back to his corner like he did the first bout against Mora, after Mora licked the blood off his own face and rifled numerous blows to Manfredo’s skull. Watch taht fight again Manfredo fans, you’ll see him being held up by the ref. like a wuss.
jenny begum
03/09/2006 at 7:34 am
actually your wrong robin get ur facts right peter is the man and sergio is just bullocks
and all talks and he is just a big joke like you.
jenny begum
03/09/2006 at 7:35 am
peter rocks
*Hillary Kaufman*
03/09/2006 at 10:10 am
Let me start off by saying, Peter Manfredo is “The Contender.” I agree with many people that Peter lost the first fight. That wasn’t Peter out there in the ring, he was sloppy and drained. But the second fight against Sergio was all Peter. Peter kicked his ass! Did anyone notice that when Peter began the fight his shorts were white and when the fight was done they were pink? Yeay that’s because of Sergio’s blood, not Manfredo’s. He fought his heart out and still he “lost”. The judges were Sergio fans, and that why he won. Eveyone deep down inside know that Manfredo won! I hope that there is a Manfredo vs. Sergio III. Peter needs to show Sergio who the real Contender is. Peter has what Sergio doesn’t have…heart,and respect for me and many other people. Go Manfredo!
Kevin Bailey
03/09/2006 at 5:11 pm
Todd-
Mora a “top contender”? Give me an effin break! You belittle Pemberton, but until he lost in his championship bout, he was the freakin number one ranked challenger!!! Keep talkin kid. You reveal more of your boxing ignorance with every ludicrous post like the one you just made.
jenny begum
03/15/2006 at 7:54 am
all i can say peter is the best and will always be the true cotender.
pd
03/17/2006 at 1:48 pm
who ever says that pemberton is a better fighter has no idea how boxing works at all. manfredo has dominated him in the last two fights, which is more then pemberton did in the first. the third round knockout says it all.
shantanu
03/19/2006 at 5:44 am
if manfredo fights mora hes gonna knock him right into tomorrow
italians of hip hop
04/02/2006 at 12:25 pm
peter manfredo jr should enter the ring 2 ITALIAN RAPPER mikie da poet’s “SHOWDOWN” 2 italian warriors, both gonna be bigger then life! put them together!
italians of hip hop
04/02/2006 at 12:28 pm
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MIKIE DA POET
ryan
04/07/2006 at 10:06 pm
i belive that when manfredo gets his fight against mora there is going to be no stoping him his a strong fast tough ruthless contender when he wins against mora he will be able to walk up to the middle weight champ and take the belt out of his hands because hes just that damn good
TODD
04/08/2006 at 8:58 pm
Every time I turn around this forum is experiencing technical difficulties with an otherwise streaming array of commentary – very annoying
TODD
04/08/2006 at 9:03 pm
To tell you the truth, the Contender has one fight left between Mora and Manfredo. This idea that Manfredo can somehow miraculously win in a third go-around is weak and losing any force, because while his performance was better the 2nd fight, he still didn’t close the deal. The same can be said for his losing…and winning against Gomez, and he squeaked out the victory against Tony Gilbert, which he would have lost had Gilbert not suffered from that horrible headbutt. Manfredo is like one of those charter planes that are carrying too much weight, and his tragic descent is unavoidable.
Kevin Bailey
04/09/2006 at 7:37 pm
Please keep talking Todd. The only reason Manfredo didn’t “close the deal” (as you put it) in the second fight was because he was robbed by the hometown judges. You seem to belittle every win that Manfredo gets. What are you going to do when he wipes the floor with the chump Pretentender Contender, Sergio Mora?
Dee
05/17/2006 at 7:15 pm
manfredo lost the first bout fair and square. mora was a better fighter that night and it showed. second bout, well enough said about that fight. if there was a third bout, id say manfredo will win. he is a different fighter now than what he was on the contender, afterall he beat pemberton in three. from the contender though i wouldve liked to see ishe smith fighting peter manfredo in the final fight. ishe had a chance to beat mora but he let his emotion get the better of him in that fight.
TODD
05/17/2006 at 7:41 pm
Manfredo reminds me of a typical dumb-ass. Remember that old show Bugs Bunny? There was a character whom Bugs Bunny would always ask. him, “And how many lumps would you like?” as if he was about to serve him sugar in his coffee. The fellow would answer, “Ew, three or four.” But each time without fail Bugs out would come the sledge hammer from behind Bugs’s back to clobber the poor fella upside the head.
Manfredo is just like that — he’s imbecilic to keep trying even though he was HUMILIATED on national TV losing to a 137 lb. Mexican nobody, when all the while Manfredo had been boasting, “I’m ranked 3rd in the world.” So first Sergio Mora robs him of the million dollar purse in Ceasar’s Palace, then Sergio Mora manages to whoop Manfredo’s tail again even though Mora’s eye was pouring blood the first round due to a unintentional head butt. So what does Manfredo do? He tries to earn a little dignity by defeating Pemberton, a guy whose career was long over before he fought Manfredo. C’mon Manfredo fans, time to call him what he is: A BUM!
Manfredo
Kevin Bailey
05/18/2006 at 11:19 am
Todd-
You’re as stupid as you are clueless. Pemberton’s last fight before Manfredo was for the title. And yet he’s a guy “whose career was over”? Tell me you’re not REALLY this stupid, and this is just a dumbass bit you’re pulling. So how did Sergio’s last fight go? Oh yeah, he was knocked down by a TRUE can of corn called the “Shark Attack” or some such stupidity. You are SERIOUSLY clueless about boxing, Todd.
TODD
05/19/2006 at 1:45 am
Ms. Bailey-
Look, Pemberton is 39-years-old and Manfredo is 25, get real. Like I said in a previous post, the Pemberton win earned Manfredo one more chance to embarrass himself in the ring with Mora…so be it.
As far as Mora’s knockdown: Shark caught him with a good punch, there’s no denying that. But name a great fighter who hasn’t been dropped by a good punch at some point in their career? Mora was knocked down, but he immediately lifted himself off the mat to his feet, and in the end Shark was unable to capitalize on it. We know who went on to win the fight (Oh, interesting how you left that part out) In light of all the rounds, there is no question that Mora beat the piss out of that bum. I assume you’re a Manfredo fan, and the next time your little bitch Manfredo fights Mora, I’m sure it won’t matter when Manfredo is dropped, because you and the rest of the Manfredo lappers will reach for anything to minimalize or reverse the loss. Remember: Manfredo got his ass kicked twice. Do you want him bitch slapped again? Tell Manfredo to kiss Mora’s ass, then beg for mercy, and he shall have it.
TODD
05/19/2006 at 1:59 am
MORA-MANFREDO II: THE RESULTS:
The judges score the bout 77-75 for Mora, 77-75 for Manfredo, and 77-75 for Mora, the winner by split decision.
MaxBoxing scores the bout 77-75 for Sergio Mora.
Punches: Mora, 417 of 133 (32 percent); Manfredo 594 of 180 (30 percent).
ATTENTION PETER MANFREDO FANS:
MANFREDO IS A LOSER…GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULLS, YOU MANFREDO LAPPERS!
Kevin Bailey
05/19/2006 at 11:33 am
Todd-
You’re a joke. You fail to recognize what even Teddy said. Bout 2 wasn’t even close. Peter was clearly better, and the judges went with the hometown boy. Peter controlled the fight–as your own punch stats demonstrate, you frickin moron!–and it was stolen from him, just as Brinkley stold his fight as well. The judges were HORRID that night, and you know it.
As for Mora getting knocked down by that can of corn, Shark Attack, a real fighter would NEVER let that happen. Shark Attack was meant to be some walkover for Sergio to beat up on, and he knocked him down. Sergio’s a punk who was bailed out by his hometown judges, and you know it.
TODD
05/19/2006 at 1:53 pm
Ms. Bailey
I can site a laundry list of great fighters knocked down by nobodys who went on to win the fight, you moron.
As far as the statistics, look at the PERCENTAGE OF PUNCHES LANDED TO NUMBER OF PUNCHES THROWN. You are like a little fly who thinks he’s going to get the food, until he finds himself drowning in a bowl of soup drowning in his own vomit. Stop being ignorant. Why is it that I get the funny feeling you’re Mexican or Puerto Rican?
Kevin Bailey
05/20/2006 at 1:46 am
Percentage of punches landed means less than nothing, and if you know anything about boxing, you know that. Peter threw more punches, landed more punches, and controlled the fight. Your own stats prove that. Provide that “laundry list”, please. I’m not talking about decent fighters, who knocked down great fighters. I’m talking about cans of corn like Shark Attack was designed to be for Mora.
Kevin Bailey
05/20/2006 at 1:48 am
BTW, why would you try to get racist on me? Even if I WERE Mexican or Puerto Rican (which I’m not), what would that matter? I find it offensive that you felt the need to put that in your post, especially after calling me “ignorant.” I don’t mind you calling me that (in fact, it’s quite ironic, after all the asanine things you post), it’s the fact that you IMMEDIATELY follow THAT sentence with, “Why is it that I get the funny feeling you’re Mexican or Puerto Rican?” Racist much, Todd?
Kevin Bailey
05/20/2006 at 1:49 am
Oh, and I just noticed your “Ms. Bailey” nonsense. You’re a real comedian, Todd. Keep ‘em coming! I’m sure all who read this blog are rolling with laughter at your great wit.
TODD
05/20/2006 at 5:06 pm
First of all you jackass, you keep calling “Shark Attack” TerMeliksetian a “can of corn”, but his record was equivalent to Mora’s when Mora walked onto The Contender. Shark is known for having a hard punch, albeit slower than Mora’s, but it was a concern and it was hoped that Mora could make a statement, given Manfredo’s big win.
Shark’s record was a respectable 15-3 with 12 KOs, and his fights were no less than the bums both Mora and Manfredo fought before they fought on The Contender. You’re just a Manfredo lapper…I understand.
NOW, FOR THE FACTS:
1. As Cassius Clay, he was knocked down by nobodys, Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper
2. As Muhammad Ali, he was knocked down by some schmuck Chuck Wepner. I won’t include Joe Frazier, since Frazier is not in the Shark category, but Wepner is.
3. THE GREAT FLOYD PATTERSON WAS KNOCKED DOWN A TOTAL of 19 times in his career, getting up 17 of them, and some of those knockdowns were made by bum fighters.
4. Tyson got knocked on his ass by Kevin “I fight for Ireland” McBride, and even though Tyson got up, rounds later he quit to this tongue-tied Irish nobody. In 2004, Danny Williams kicked Tyson’s ass too. Who the hell is Danny Williams??
5. In 1976, Forman got knocked down at least twice by some douche bag named Ron Lyle, even though Forman ended up beating him. Consider that this embarrassment came two years after the famed “Rumble in the Jungle” bout c. 1974.
6. You may disagree with this one, but Tyson’s DEVASTATING loss to Buster Douglas, which NOBODY at the time predicted was possible. In fact, Douglas knocked Tyson out at odds of 44-1! And before that, the less-than-known fighter, Frank Bruno – in a FIGHT TYSON DECIDED WASN’T EVEN WORTH TRAINING FOR – landed some stinging punches that wobbled Tyson in the first round, which thereafter set off rumors about Tyson’s decline.
7. My favorite underdog fighter, Joe “The Bulldog of Bergen” Braddock (aka “Cinderella Man’) For real boxing fans, here’s a trip down memory lane leading to one of the greatest upsets in BOXING HISTORY!
“In 1934, the boxer was given a fight with the highly touted John “Corn” Griffin. Although Braddock was intended as a stepping stone in Griffin’s rise, Braddock scored an upset victory. Braddock then fought John Henry Lewis, a future light heavyweight champion and won in one of the most important fights of his career. After defeating another highly regarded heavyweight contender, Art Lasky, he was given a title fight against the World Heavyweight Champion, Max Baer.
Considered no more than a journeyman fighter, Braddock was chosen by Baer’s handlers because he was seen as a guaranteed easy payday for the champion. Instead, on June 13, 1935, in Long Island City, New York, Braddock won the heavyweight championship of the world as the 10 to 1 underdog in one of the most stunning upsets in boxing history.
The fight showed a dogged Braddock taking heavy hits from the powerful champion, but Braddock kept coming until he wore Baer down. At the end, the judges gave Braddock the title with a unanimous decision.”
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Does my list suffice, Ms. Bailey? NOW BE MY BITCH!
Kevin Bailey
05/20/2006 at 5:42 pm
No, it does not. While it is a quite interesting list, not one of those fighters is the pathetic equivalent of “Shark Attack.” And it’s interesting to see that your sense of humor (”Ms. Bailey”) is still as pathetically inadequate as ever.
TODD
05/20/2006 at 8:58 pm
I’m just happy to hear that you’re neither Mexican nor Puerto Rican.
TODD
05/20/2006 at 9:06 pm
“Kevin”
You asked me to give you proof and so I gave it to you. And the best you can come back with is that those listed are not the “pathetic equivalent”? Look, you’ve truly, deeply revealed your true colors—you’re not ignorant, you’re just a dumb bastard. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Just admit it, and the truth will set you free.
TODD
05/20/2006 at 9:27 pm
I’ve been thinking…maybe, just maybe, I gave you too much too assimilate with my list above (Not many people read these days, and the average attention span is forever getting shorter, surely) The good samaritan I am, I’ve extracted for you a quote to illustrate (i.e. simplify) the larger point (you dumb bastard you)
“Joe “The Bulldog of Bergen” was considered no more than a journeyman fighter. Braddock was chosen by Baer’s handlers because he was seen as a guaranteed easy payday for the champion.”
In fact, Braddock was considered such a bum fighter they revoked his boxing license! And you say he’s not an “equivalent”? Painfully pathetic is that you might have a college degree – you may have even graduated from a “top college.” Perhaps you’re working in a cushy job earning a “top” salary, and everyone in the office kisses your ass about how bright you are. And you probably gloat. Who knows, maybe you’ve even been laid – more than once, and by different women. And yet, the sad, cold reality is that all you’ve revealed in your comments is that you’re a simpleton enlightened with boxing knowledge. But your comments PROVE, unequivocally, that you’re a dumb bastard.
TODD
05/20/2006 at 9:46 pm
“Kevin”
Sadly it’s not your fault that you’re a dumb bastard, it’s yo momma’s.
Kevin Bailey
05/21/2006 at 4:00 pm
Todd-
And you’re a racist jackass, so I guess you’ve got me beat in the department of despicability.
Kevin Bailey
05/21/2006 at 4:02 pm
Wow. You even do “yo momma” jokes? Your wit is TRULY dizzying…
TODD
05/21/2006 at 4:16 pm
Ms. Bailey,
Our correspondence heretofore is over because I’m tired of your drivel. The fact of the matter is my wit is too much for you to handle, and people pay to speak to me. If you write me a check for $175 an hour, we’ll resume this little talk. But until then, go scratch your ass.
TODD
05/21/2006 at 4:27 pm
Ms. Bailey,
And by the way, please save that moral racist babble for somebody else. Your “offeneded” that I supposed that you were Mexican or Puerto Rican? Too god damn bad! I’m a proud WHITE Caucasian male, educated to the hilt, and I don’t give a hoot about your or anyone else’s little feelings. You’re a character straight out of the 1984 novel—you play the guy in charge of erasing words and ideas which don’t conform with the social good. Well, how’s this for your social good, your tolerance, your herd morality: GO SCREW YOURSELF!
Kevin Bailey
05/22/2006 at 11:18 am
Whether you care or not, your comment WAS racist, and you ARE a jackass. Additionally, you seem to fail to grasp what actually being witty entails, which does not involve childish insults, and racist slurs. Ignore me if you wish, Manfredo beat a contender soundly, and Mora got knocked down by a can of corn. Those are the facts of the boxing side of the discussion. The facts about you personally are just as abundantly clear: racist, jackass, no-wit jerk. See, now how hard was that to assess?
TODD
05/22/2006 at 1:03 pm
On the boxing side of this discussion, we’ve resolved that you’re a Peter Manfredo lapper. Mora won a million dollars, that’s a fact. Another fact is Manfredo got walloped by Gomez and Mora – by Mora, once or twice, whatever floats your boat. Even if I accept your claim that the judges threw the second fight for the hometown boy, the fact of the matter is Mora EARNED home advantage by the ass-kicking he gave Manfredo the first fight. Remember how Manfredo walked like a slinky to his corner when the fight ended? If the ref wasn’t there to hold him up, he would have collapsed from sheer exhaustion, and you know it. You also know that if Mora had had an extra 15-20 seconds in that final round, he would have knocked Manfredo out cold.
On the boxing side of this discussion, we’ve resolved that you’re a Peter Manfredo lapper. Mora won a million dollars, that’s a fact, and Manfredo got beat by Gomez and Mora – once or twice. Even if I accept your claim that the judges threw the fight for the hometown boy, the fact of the matter is Mora EARNED home advantage the first ass-kicking he gave Manfredo, who walked like a slinky back to his corner and if the ref wasn’t there to hold him up, he would have dropped like a ton of bricks, and you know it. If Mora had had an extra 15-20 seconds to that final round the first fight, he would have knocked Manfredo out cold.
On the personal side of things, perhaps you think that by calling me a racist that I’ll become ashamed or incensed. But I reject your little stereotypes and garbage-heap humor. And don’t you know, God is dead!
On the boxing side of this discussion, we’ve resolved that you’re a Peter Manfredo lapper. Mora won a million dollars, that’s a fact, and Manfredo got beat by Gomez and Mora – once or twice. Even if I accept your claim that the judges threw the fight for the hometown boy, the fact of the matter is Mora EARNED home advantage the first ass-kicking he gave Manfredo, who walked like a slinky back to his corner and if the ref wasn’t there to hold him up, he would have dropped like a ton of bricks, and you know it. If Mora had had an extra 15-20 seconds to that final round the first fight, he would have knocked Manfredo out cold.
On the boxing side of this discussion, we’ve resolved that you’re a Peter Manfredo lapper. Mora won a million dollars, that’s a fact, and Manfredo got beat by Gomez and Mora – once or twice. Even if I accept your claim that the judges threw the fight for the hometown boy, the fact of the matter is Mora EARNED home advantage the first ass-kicking he gave Manfredo, who walked like a slinky back to his corner and if the ref wasn’t there to hold him up, he would have dropped like a ton of bricks, and you know it. If Mora had had an extra 15-20 seconds to that final round the first fight, he would have knocked Manfredo out cold.
On the personal side of things, perhaps you think that by calling me a racist that I’ll become ashamed or incensed. But I’ve all ready discussed my views on racism here, and I’ll say it again in short: We’re all racist, sometimes. You’re just too much of an ignoramus to understand that.
I reject your little stereotypes and
garbage-heap humor. I am untouchable, unphased by your petty ways. I am beyond good and evil, you pitiful moron. I am God.
Kevin Bailey
05/23/2006 at 8:35 am
Wow. You seem delusional, Todd. You should SERIOUSLY get some help. And I’m not even joking.
t.m.
05/29/2006 at 11:53 am
PETER IS THE BEST BOXER IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
t.m.
05/29/2006 at 12:08 pm
KEVIN U ARE A FUCKIN ASSHOLE WHO DOES NOT KNOW A BIT ABOUT BOXING
IF YOU THINK MANFREDO IS NOT A GOOD BOXER THEN YOU WILL PROBABLLY KNOCK HIM OUT WONT YOU? FUCK YOU KEVIN BAILEY
AJ
05/29/2006 at 12:15 pm
TODD
YOU BETTER FUCKIN LEAVE KEVIN ALONE MAN HE IS RIGHT YOU ARE A RACIST AND YOU DONT FUCKIN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING
PETER MANFREDO JR. IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A BETTER FIGHTER THAN SERGIO¨LATIN(EARTHWORM)MORA
TODD
05/29/2006 at 2:01 pm
I’m a racist if you are (Think about it, simpletons)
AJ: DOES THAT STAND FOR “ABSOLUTE JACKASS”?
It’s funny how the Latin “Earthworm” as you call him, Absolute Jackass – burrowed a hole through Manfredo’s skull with his titanium, lightning speed fists!
I’d love to see Mora break a couple of Manfredo’s ribs next fight and watch him squirm like an Earthworm on the canvas, then all us Mora fans can file into the ring single file to take turns urinating on him.
Kevin is a little boy (no older than 13) who needs to read good books for many many years and get laid some. I gave him proof (ie a bitch slapping) and he can’t respond to it.
“I am the Lizard Kind, I can do anything.”
TODD
05/29/2006 at 11:54 pm
I LIKE THAT T.M. GUY, HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT. PEACE, BROTHER.
TODD
05/29/2006 at 11:58 pm
IN FACT, IF MORA KNOCKED MANFREDO DOWN FOR THE COUNT, RIGHT AFTER HE WAS COUNTED OUT, I’D HOP INTO THE RING AND URINATE IN MANFREDO’S EAR, THEN AIM MY URINE BEAM FOR ONE OF HIS BIG HAIRY NOSTRILS.
Kevin Bailey
06/06/2006 at 12:13 pm
Wow. “T.M” is too stupid to realize that I think Peter’s pretty good, and Todd is talking about urinating in someone’s ear. Not only are you racist Todd, but you’re just plain vulgar. Have fun in your delusional little world.
TODD
06/06/2006 at 6:52 pm
I’m not vulgar, bitch!
Peter’s got about two-three years left in him, then he’s done. I hope he earns enough money by then, or else I fear Mrs. Manfredo will be sitting on Mora’s jock. I mean, let’s face it, Manfredo is not exactly anything to look at. First thing, Manfredo needs to get rid of that stupid look on his face, and then get a nose job.
TODD
06/06/2006 at 6:55 pm
Kevin, why don’t you stick your wee-wee up Manfredo’s nostril, you bitch!
WcL
06/07/2006 at 4:06 am
F*&@ that was some entertaining bit of scripture!! judges have scored the bout so far and its just about even… 77-75 75-77 and 75-75… HAhHA
todd
06/07/2006 at 7:33 pm
WcL: I want you to know that Kevin Bailey is Peter Manfredo’s bitch! Kevin is a racist pig and he’s queer. How do I know? He likes sticking his wee wee in Manfredo’s big-assed nostril (C’mon, you gotta admit Manfredo’s got quite the honker, that pelican-ass-stupid-looking bitch!)
Kevin Bailey
06/07/2006 at 9:51 pm
Keep talking, Todd. You demonstrate clearly your complete lack of anything remotely resembling intelligence with every post.
TODD
06/07/2006 at 10:45 pm
Well, let’s see, Kevin; shall we discuss Plato’s Theory of Forms and Aristotle’s divergence from Platonic thought; or would you prefer a talk about Neitzsche’s notion of Eternal Recurrence and the difference between his Ubermansch and Will to Power? Or, perhaps we’ll shift gears for a discussion about Jane Eyre and Victorian literature and its impact on the changing perspectives of women. Better, let’s chat poetry – Frost, Shelley, Blake, Coleridge, or how’s about a talk about deconstruction and Jacque Derrida’s “Differance”? We can also delve in the Beat Generation – I’ve done some massive research on Jack Kerouac -maybe you’ve even read some of my stuff if you’re a reader (doubt it.)
I can be intelligent, there’s something obscenely pompous about it, so I choose to dwell in the world of smut—that includes morons like you, Kevin Bailey.
Kevin Bailey
06/09/2006 at 9:47 pm
I read constantly. One’s level of intelligence does not always correlate with their ability to have what would amount to a modicum of civility in a discussion where they disagree with another person. Though you are obviously well-read (even moreso than myself, which is saying something), you choose to not let that intelligence seep into your dealings on this message board. That’s more than your right. While there is certainly something “obscenely pompous” about intelligence for its own sake, there is nothing pompous in the least about refraining from racist innuendos, and trying to be civil in how you discuss issues where you disagree. The road you have chosen is certainly the “world of smut” as you call it. As I said, that’s your right. It’s also my right to discontinue discussing issues with you, while you choose to continue to dwell in that place.
TODD
06/10/2006 at 4:33 pm
You know, your touchy-feely-politically- correct drivel makes me want to vomit, in the same way I feel like vomiting when I see a wet wad of dog pooh on the bottom of my shoe.
I have one question for you, and I’d appreciate it if you’d think long and hard about what I’m going to tell you as you ride off in all your Do you have an original idea of your own? You choose to follow the herd by ensuring me that, while you strongly disagree with my ideas – particularly those on race – that I have some inherent (?) right to say them and you have the “right” to ignore me. Hmm. Kevin, the last I checked, black folks in the 60’s wouldn’t have idly accepted that line of reasoning; in fact, some would have spit in your face had you said the same. I sense you’re not very passionate in your beliefs, especially your view on racism. And to think you’re actually walking away from this exchange believing you’ve taken the higher moral ground, and with such dignant resolve and finality. You’re a product of American education, that’s obvious. How pathetic.
Kevin Bailey
06/10/2006 at 9:32 pm
Todd-
I choose to walk away not from my beliefs–which are held very passionately–but from one who refuses to engage in anything resembling reasonable discussion. You willingly choose the low road of “smut.” That’s fine. I refuse to descend there with you. This in no way reflects on the depth of my views regarding the subject of your racism. It simply reflects the fact that I sense your views to be such that you will not change them no matter what is said in this forum, and you simply want to sully us all by spewing your venom. I won’t be your sounding board in your endeavor.
TODD
06/10/2006 at 11:41 pm
Kevin -
How are you so sure you would not have changed my mind or some other reader’s mind, even if I’m not manly enough to ever admit it on here that you did? You’re not my only sounding board, others are watching my commentary, some passersby may wonder what the hell this flighty banter is all about in a forum devoted to Mora/Manfredo. But, hate manifests itself in every facet of social life, we dress it up nice and pretty and call it Dialogue.
Getting back to my original point, which you missed, what I meant is: Language is pure ideology. You are the chief executive officer of the smut that flows through American veins (I’m American, ironically) “Democratic values,” they call it. But I can see clearly that you don’t understand democracy at all, which is why you’re so amenable to allowing me the space to “spew venom” while highhandedly withdrawing yourself. You sanction this maneuver in the name of tolerance. The philosopher John Stuart Mill believed similarly that, by permitting the most obscene voices to be aired, only then can we understand the dark extremities of human thought. But Mill would rebuke you for your caddy withdrawal here.
If you were an advisor of Martin Luther King or Malcolm X, you probably would have simply told them to pack it up and go home. You’d tell them to ignore the injustices against blacks, because what white folks have to say is smut—a raw, vicious, distorted point of view, but nevertheless “their” point of view. Who cares, you’d say, that whites degrade blacks by using the “N” word, it’s their “right,” and it’s our right to ignore them. “Just go home Dr. King, love your wife and kids,” and leave the world for the ignorant to propigate hate. Why confront them, people will not listen, they will not change. Man, you’re a real ass. I am more convinced now than ever that you’re a product of the American educational system.
Kevin Bailey
06/11/2006 at 1:51 am
You know nothing of me, or of my convictions. I have much more in common with Dr. King than Malcolm X in my views of resistance to racism. I believe–as Dr. King did–in CIVIL discourse. If you continue on the current line you are taking, that can be had. If you choose to descend back into what you referred to as the “world of smut” I choose not to follow you there. Were I more confrontational–like the esteemed Malcolm X–I might follow, but I am not. Dr. King’s views on non-violent resistance apply well here. The “violence” you display is with your vulgar use of the language, as well as your racial slurs toward hispanics. I choose “non-violence” in this forum, and if you choose to descend back into your “violent” rhetoric, you will have lost a partner in your discourse–which is my “non-violent” way of resisting, you might say. I have yet to hear you explain your racist comments from the previous posts. This would be very interesting, if you feel you can do it while keeping yourself from the gutter of vulgarity.