All gamers are awaiting the release of the Xbox 360 versus PS3. This article takes an in depth look at how the two systems compare.
XBOX 360 vs. PS3 – The Graphics:
Everyone has seen an Xbox and a PS2 in action and we are all waiting to see which of the two next generation consoles for the two systems will have the edge when it comes to graphics. We have all seen the screenshots of the games on the two systems but what about actual gameplay graphics. Despite the hot debate, when you look at the numbers the two systems use a different but equally effective method of delivering graphics processing power. The XBOX uses a custom ATI processor with 48 graphics pipelines and the PS2 has a custom NVIDA graphics processor with an estimated 24 pipelines.
XBOX 360 vs. PS3 – The Games:
The numbers are misleading because the PS2 piplines are more powerful than the XBOX pipelines. In the end the two different graphics processors will deliver about the same amount of power, we can expect to see impressive results from both sides.
Both systems have several franchise titles such as Halo2 for the XBOX and Gran Tourismo for the PS2 that you will see in the next generation systems, but what other games can you expect to see. If you are a fan of genres such as role playing that are dominated by Japanese and other foreign developers such as Square, you should look forward to the PS3. There is no indication that the XBOX 360 is going to gain much more support from foreign developers and buyers than the original XBOX. An article on GameSpot.com reports that only two percent of Japanese gamers are interested in buying an XBOX 360, with sixty percent looking forward to the PS3 and eight percent to the Nintendo Revolution. Overall you can expect to see more games on the PS3 than the XBOX 360, reflecting the selection for the current generation systems. Only time will which console will have the quality of games which all of us are been expecting
When considering games, you have to look at the XBOX and the PS2. The XBOX is very popular in the US and has a few great franchise games such as Halo, but the PS2 has an international reach and several popular game franchises such as Gran Tourismo that the XBOX has yet to beat. The XBOX 360 will need to appeal to foreign game developers and consumers to compete with the PS3. Only time will which console will have the quality of games which all of us are been expecting
XBOX 360 vs. PS3 – Media Types:
Will the media storage type be a factor in the quality of the games? Since PS3 is owned by Sony and BLUray is Sony’s next high definition storage medium, the PS3 games will be stored on the BLUray discs which hold approximately 54 gigs. The Xbox 360 games will be stored on Double Layer DVDs which store 9 gigs. Obviously the BLUray discs can store a lot more data, but at the current stage of game development, any game developed will fit just as well on the 9 gig DVDs, so this is not a major factor but one that may come into play later on.
Since PS3 is owned by Sony and BLUray is Sony’s next high definition storage medium, the PS3 games will be stored on the BLUray discs which hold approximately 54 gigs. The Xbox 360 games will be stored on Double Layer DVDs which store 9 gigs. Obviously the BLUray discs can store a lot more data, but at the current stage of game development, any game developed will fit just as well on the 9 gig DVDs, so this is not a major factor but one that may come into play later on.
XBOX 360 vs. PS3 – Processing Power:
How do the two systems compare when looking at brute processing power? The PS3 uses a Cell processor with a PowerPC-based core with seven synergistic processing units while the Xbox comes with a Custom IBM PowerPC CPU with three dual-threaded cores that can handle six total threads at a time. An important comparison to look at is the number of dot product calculations per second the systems can perform. The reason this number is important is because it is used extensively during gameplay in 3d math to calculate various things such as vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. Both systems are clocked at 3.2 Ghz. The PS3 can handle 51-billion dot product operations per second and the Xbox can handle 33.6. There is a debate over which system has more brute processing power and these numbers can be confusing to the average person, but overall it seems that the PS3 has an edge over the Xbox when it comes to overall processing power.
XBOX 360 vs. PS3 – Controllers:
The controllers on the two systems retain the basic shape from the original systems with some modifications. The PS3 controller has the most dramatic change; it has a streamline shape that looks more like a stealth airplane than a game controller. The XBOX controller is basically the same shape as the previous system with a different color scheme. From the pictures released, it seems the XBOX controller will be more comfortable and natural to use. The PS3 controller looks like it would just slip out of your hand but we will not know how the controllers feel during actual gameplay until we get our hands on them.
Which do you think is the better, faster and more powerful system?
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Ayshin07
He’s probably abandoned this thread many years ago but continues to blog about other things. Makes me realise I too should abandon this thread as you kindly said “This argument is really getting out of hand”.
Yeah… But I think it is quite interesting… I find it interesting to read people’s thoughs about what they believe and even giving factual informations just to back up their claim. This thread is nice but just don’t let it ruin your day… it is not healthy.
Backto issues… In the Philippines my good friend’s work is fixing broken consoles.. He is real good.. he found a way not to have the three lights of death. I don’t know how he did it but he has talents.
I am earger to lay my hands on MGS4… I think that it will sell 1 million copies in 1 day since the release is worldwide. It will be a Halo Killer.. but it will be the last one of the series.
Hope konami was able to utilize the Cell’s 7 SPE’s.
Yo! you know what? We can drastically increase the processing capability of cracking passwords using the a PS3, By implementing common ciphers and hash functions using vector computing.
By design, PS3 is very suitable for cryptography. Intel processors are designed to do all kinds of complex calculations, whereas the PS3 is good at doing simple things very quickly, but unfortunately…. we as a cracker are having a hard time creating a program for pirated Blu-Ray game disc to be played on PS3.
Perhaps your talent would be put to better use helping the linux community gain access to the RSX. (something I think should have been done by Sony in the first place)
Ayshin07 I think they just use some kind of automated system to put xbox360s sent for repair in some kind of monstrously huge xbox 360 landfill somewhere and send out a 360 premium, as my friends core system inevitably finally fucked up and when he send it back (mod chip and all) he received a brand new premium.
I think there is a possibility that Microsoft is trying to destroy the console world slowly, so that everyone can spend more money on computers for playing games (including windows) which would make Microsoft a lot more money.
My advice to everyone is: Ditch your 360 and next time you buy a pc, buy the parts and make it yourself, and then run Linux on (or buy a ready made one with Linux pre-installed, they are easy enough to find). Then, and only then, we can all enjoy a new enlightened era of much more trouble free and significantly higher performance computing and gaming.
All this is so funny. Do you remember when the 360 first came out. If you do then you remember that it didn’t look that much better then the first Xbox. The reason for that was bc it was easier for programers the make the program on the first Xbox then move to the 360. It wasn’t till about a year or 2 later that every game started looking a lot better. It was a learning process for programers. You have to eat,, so you make the game on what you know while you learn to program on the new. Now the old in this case is the 360 and the new is the ps3. Now with that in mind. wait about a year then compair them and see which looks better.
I have both systems and i like them both. the only real difference is you. Do you like on line or off line. i love online gaming so i get most online titles for the 360. the rest i get for the ps3. what i am sad to say is that i’m starting to like the ps3 more.
I do not like the 360 because there is to pay online separate we give them of the games is necessary to buy them, nevertheless ps3 has Internet free we give wallpaper the videos free them everything, ps3 has better quality in graphs than the 360, are a good console but it has some defects.
If the pay is good why not, but I think that Linux already has the access for RSX. PS2Dev and Nouveau has accessed the RSX for 3D graphic acceleration in Linux through the PS3 hypervisor, I don’t know the details of the project though.
Yeah… I believe you are right about that Kohler…Developers has to start the algorithm from the scratch if they wanted to utilize the Cell and not just to use the algorithm from older game designs.
DiRT on the PS3 looks way better compared to that of the 360.. I heard that on GTA4, the game was programmed differently that there will be an additional feature for PS3 owners… is that true?
No, it’s not. The 360 has all the bonus content for gta4.
Coz I heard from my office in Asia ( China ) that GTA4 in PS3 has downloadable contents for the games expansion… I am not sure if this is just rumors but it was told to me by our big boss in China. By the way.. I also work as a programmer in China (big software company) other than creating MOD chips for piracy.
Ashimi is right, whether you like it or not. As for games- ps3 has resistance 2 and heres a little detail of how much more it is than every fps on 360- 60p online
8 player coop campaign
2 campaigns
2 player splitscreen coop maybe 4- can take splitscreen partner and play online at same time like warhawk.
4 player splitscreen
big campaigns- long and lasting intenseness thnx to blu.
Huger character and weapon customizations.
My PS3 is collecting dust right now… I’m still wiating for some good stuff… GTA4 should be better on XBOX 360 because on the extra downloadable features… so basically MGS4 will be the wait… But I have some inside track on MGS4 project and I still not impressed with it, mainly because I’m aware of some of the drawbacks it has due to PS3′s Hardware limitations… But, it does have some cool new things that has not ben done before in games which deals with lighting and shadows… So we will see… Until then my PS3 is a $500 dvd/Blu-ray player.
GTA4 has downloadable content on both consoles
and what hardware limitations may these be?
Also you obviously have been living in a cave if you are under the impression that there is no “good stuff” available for the console.
Ok just relax, no need to bust a vessell just because of a comment I made… Yes you are correct… there will be GTA4 downloadable content for both systems, but they will be different… Microsoft’s XBOX Live has exlusive deals with some of the content, that will not be available for download on the PS3… That is my point…
We have a difference of opinion, because I am just not impressed with the current line up of PS3 games… I’ve played all of the best PS3 games out there, and I still think XBOX 360 has the better games now, but we will see when MGS4 is released.
The hardware limitations on the PS3 is memory, fill rate, and vertex latancy… MGS4 will not be able to effectivly pull off 4X anti-aliasing, so to counter that, the developers are utilizing lighting and color filters to give it a certian look that will offset the imgage noise… They will also use more shadow effects like self shadows, to make it more realistic… I beilive the CELL processor will be utilized more effectivly in MGS4, and should be a gauge on what games will look like in the future.
Likewise the ps3 has exclusive content unavailable for xbox 360 (as far as I know) so both versions will have their advantages.
The xbox 360 also has hardware limitations, as they are both different machines with different strengths. Also I know that the ps3 uses Opengl which has always been better for graphics than directx so I think the mgs4 should be visually more impressive than any game yet on either system.
this is ridiculous hehhhe.
you are wrong on pretty much everything, it is now 2008 buddy and the 360 is beating in games since actually Japan is gaining interest in the 360 heeheheh. microsoft is taking over all of the japanese/sony game franchises, plus its the bigger more rich company, its going to always come out on top. there are currently 140 games for the 360, and a measly 40 are out for the PS3!!! graphics were also awarded to the 360 for better usage of detail and processing. the Blu ray does process more data and storage then the 360 does, but it takes longer, and its losing its games because of this very difficult different technology. the 360 has better and more GPU, the elite has more GB at 120 GB, and the highest PS3 at 80 GB, I could go on and on, but Sony needs to face it, that they are fighting a losing battle. As soon as XBox came out, Sony was in trouble, it was just a matter of time until Microsoft completely came out on top, and now they have. though blu ray has a lot of people interested, i dont know why though cause there really is no difference between it and HD-DVD, but this will be just like Sony’s first failed attempt against VHS. As the saying goes history repeats itself.
microsoft makes billions a year on all of their products, its practically one of the biggest companies around. they have the power, the money, and the newest technology. the 720 coming out in 2011 will be able to talk with you, meaning you can tell it to turn on. and in 2009 the walt disney channel, MGM, and IDTV are all going to allow all of your favorite tv shows and movies be on playback on the 360. meaning the HD-DVD separate box will be installed in the new 360′s . also Microsoft is coming out with there portable xbox, like the psp. Sony is literally in trouble hehheehe.
Sony does not, and will not have a future. Also, IBM, Microsofts partner in crime will be issuing all of its consoles in the future a smaller processing unit which will bring it from 65nm to 34nm!!! meaning it will be small like the wii. and more convenient, and more smooth. and of course the price will go down. like is said, Microsoft is in this thing for the long run, while PS3 struggles to keep up with Microsoft’s 3.4 billion dollars in sales. heheheee.
FOOL!
You argue that because microsoft are a bigger company they have a better machine.
Bill gates will be loving you, another idiot consumer fooled by advertising, readily buying my products and filling my pockets with your hard earned cash!
Your argument might have some significance IF Sony were a small company but come on now FOOL sony are a HUGE company that have experience in all technology not just computers like microsoft.
Sony have lead the way in all technology including games consoles for years.
The PS1( where were microsoft then?) and the PS2 are unrivaled and will go down in history as the ground braking machines that they were.
Oh yeah your comment on sony and VHS was laughable. As all us ADULTS know Betamax was a far superior product but cost more and that is why VHS won the battle. In this day and age people want the better product NOT THE CHEAPER ONE i.e XBOX.
If the XBOX is superior why are there rumours of microsoft developing another xbox so soon?
The XBOX is slowly running out of selling points as the PS3 cruises on past to greater and better things.
STOP FILLING BILL GATES’ POCKETS!!!!!!!!!!
To say that because microsoft are a bigger company and therefore better than sony shows how STUPID you are.
Yes microsoft make billions off computer sales every year but sony make billions off computer, DVD, TV, PSP, MP3, Mobile phones, CDs, the music industry, etc etc etc etc
So who would you trust to make the best next generation games console( remember these machines are next gen. not just games consoles) . Obviously it would be sony as they have so much expertise in all departments: games ,dvd(blue ray!) music etc.
The comment from MICROSOFT JUNKIE about VHS is laughable!!!!. As every ADULT knows betamax was a far superior product but as VHS was cheaper it won the battle, however in this day and age customers want quality and sony has that over the XBOX.
Yes at the moment games are not using the full power of the blue ray but that will change (OBVIOUSLY) as it has done with EVERY SINGLE GAMES CONSOLE EVER MADE (look at the difference between the ps2 launch games and recent ones like god of war – its like playing a different console!)
Yes they are very close at the moment but by the end of the year the PS3 will be miles better, obviously, as the games developers get to grips with the faster, more powerful PS3.
If you dont believe me ask a games developer and they will all say that when they crack the PS3 it will overtake the xbox, why? BECAUSE THE BLUE RAY DISCS WILL HOLD MORE INFORMATION THAN THE PISHY WEE ONES THAT THE XBOX USES.
It is not rocket science you know. the ps3 IS faster and the graphics WILL(by the end of 2008) be far superior to anything on XBOX.
It is simple: the XBOX is near to its max and the playstation has hardly even started to show its potential. Just compare COD4 on both machines and there is very little difference at all. But remember the XBOX had a one year headstart on the ps3 and therefore COD4 should have been better on XBOX BUT IT ISNT.
Huh? What was that all about? Yeah… The X-Box 360 is very easy to program that is why it took us a short time to make a program for pirated DVD games to run on the 360. Thanks to Bill Gates we earned a very handsome amout of dough. Indeed that the PS3 is very hard to program but we can tell that it is more powerfull than the Xenos no doubt about it. Eventhough we are very mad about how the PS3 is getting our eyebrows burning in creating the program for piracy, still I would still prefer using the PS3 and not the 360.
Also, IBM, Microsofts partner in crime will be issuing all of its consoles in the future a smaller processing unit which will bring it from 65nm to 34nm!!! meaning it will be small like the wii. and more convenient, and more smooth. and of course the price will go down. like is said, Microsoft is in this thing for the long run, while PS3 struggles to keep up with Microsoft’s 3.4 billion dollars in sales. heheheee.
Right, when you said “you are wrong on almost everything” I assume you mean
“I am wrong on almost everything:”
Microsoft is not taking over sony/japan franchises, simple as that.
Then you stated there is 40 games available for ps3, wrong again, there is 318 to this day.
I dont know how you can retain any credibility after a statement like that, but then you lose any you could have retained anyway by saying the 360 has more GB. On the ps3 you can buy any standard 2.5″ sata hard disk and fit it without effecting the warranty. For the 360, correct me if im wrong, but I think you have to buy an expensive microsoft proprietary hard disk. Just when I though you couldn’t get any worse…
“there really is no difference between blu-ray and HD-DVD”
Wrong again, blu-ray has significantly higher storage capacities than hd-dvd, but that is irrelevant as the 360 only has standard dual layer dvd!
You also claim this will be like the vhs vs beta, again wrong blu-ray has already beaten hd dvd in movie sales as well as movie releases. The format war is over.
As for your “predictions”
Maybe “the 720 coming out in 2011″ can respond to voice commands, but my pc could do that 11 years ago and so could my mobile phone 8 years ago, its simply nothing new at all (neither is tv through a gaming console as the ps3 can do that as well as the 360)
and since the ps3 has many more features than the 360 I “predict” the ps4 will have more features than the 720. As for a portable xbox, please state your source of information because I am not aware of any microsoft plans to release a portable console.
IBM (who incidentally is a backer of Linux and also produce the superior ps3 cell processor) currently have no plans to bring the 360s processor down to 34nm, also the ps3 had the 64nm process long before the 360. As you your predicted small xbox 360, every playstation console has release small version, so I think its much more likely for this to happen with the ps3 than the 360 (though maybe they could make an xbox 360 without the need for the breezeblock external psu.
Finally let me teach you some computer history.
The reason microsoft is so big now is that back in the day they made a deal with IBM, this deal meant that it was effectively illegal to sell any IBM or IBM x86 compatible pc without Windows. Since then microsoft have been riding the success of that deal and like it or not are now in decline. Sony also has a lot more experience making quality computers/games consoles/consumer electronics products/successful data formats.
(e.g. blu-ray, cd, floppy disc)
Right On Boobage! Microsoft is only there for the business… Making an OS that has so many bugs and will ask money for any updates to get rid of those bugs.. that is very BAD!!
BLAH BLAH BLAH, look here you freaking geeks, you go off talking about being programmers and such and yet you miss spell every other word. Just the classic douche bag nerd trying to be better than you are. Let me settle your whole fucking debate right now!!!!!!!! Played both, and to tell you the truth one may have a better quality of something than the other. Thats life, thats companies exploiting there strong points and hoping that in turn covers there week points. Both are expensive and overpriced, 400-500 dollars to play video games and then another 60 to buy the dam game.But it comes down to one fact, If I buy something for that amount of money it should last for several years. It should be relatively flawless in working under any condition in witch its intended to be used. I wanted a gaming system.I dont ride the nuts of sony or microsoft. But when I know 5 people personally that have had there xbox 360 break, and countless others over all these sites and in the news, I decided that I would purchase the ps3. It works every time I turn it on.When playing a game, thats the most important thing, that it actually fucking works. Check xbox’s history,from the original to the new 360′s, there machines just dont stand up to the durability of the PS3. Buy a ps3.
Microsoft does not charge for updates… The updates are free… If you have a pirated copy then you will have to buy a license to get the updates, but that just makes sense becuase it is pirated, right?
Secondly, don’t hate on Microsoft for making successful deals. Mirosoft has played a key role in making computers user friendly for the home. How would you like to sit and type in a bunch a code configurations just to boot up your computer. That’s not fun at all, unless that is your hobby.
Sony does not have a stong Computer Science department. That is evident with PS3. Sony wishes not to explain some of the PS3′s deficiancies such as polygon count. The 360 can push 500 million polys/sec. The RSX can only do 175 million, but Sony will not share that information on the white papers. All they share is the CELL’s computational numbers such as GFLOPS. Let’s remember that the CELL is not the GPU, so those computational numbers are not for graphics. The CELL is good for MATH only.
Well, I suppose it’s a good thing binary is all math then.
I mean what’s next, people are going to tell me that Texas Instruments DLP chips are only good for calculators.
I wish people wouldn’t try to cite the Cell as being a weak(er) chip.
Besides, what’s the point of have a stronger engine when it just means you’re frying rods, busting pistons and cracking your block?
I’m really impressed with the white papers… especially since a 360 could probably ignite them.
I also like the system because it puts rings through discs when it’s bumped during play.
That’s a neat feature that nobody mentions.
I’m excited that this argument still has people clinging to the same tired arguments.
Just without the articles, citings, and other assorted bits of evidence.
Looks like this rabble is back to assumptions, insinuations and chest beating.
The problem with this whole debate is that you are comparing apples to oranges. The CELL is a CPU, and the Xenos is a GPU. Very different functions.
The CELL is very powerful, but it is not a graphics accellerator like a GPU. The CELL is a computation Engine, and the RSX is the Shader Engine in the PS3… simple as that. The Xenos is a shader engine for the XBOX. The Xenos is more powerful than the RSX because of its unified shaders. The CELL is more powerful than the Xenon CPU in computations. Xenon has more General Processing power than the CELL, but less computational power. This means the CELL has more GFLOPS.
While the CELL is a good processor, it is not a GPU. The CELL does not paint polygons, it simply does the math. The Xenos GPU is a quasi GPGPU, meaning that is also processes general code which can be written a shader programs. Remember, that video games are simply shader programs with Artifcial Intelligence (AI). The CPU handles the AI. In theory the CELL can deliver more AI than the XBOX 360, but is the CELL is also being used for other stuff like vertex shaders, then the memory and computation power of the CELL will be limited for AI. So there is a trade off.
GPUs are shader accellerators, CPU’s are calculators. Big difference. The reason why we have a GPU is because the CPU CAN’T ACCELLERATE GRAPHICS by itself. Just like back in the early days, CPU’s needed math co-processors to accellerate floating Operations. That’s not a problem nowadays due to supercaling, and piplining… But that is the limit for CPUs… Now the only thing that can be done is to increase the number of execution cores for the CPU as the transistor count increases…. When we get to a point where we have at least 20 cores in CPUs, then maybe it can do graphics in a frame buffer… but we are not there yet… Not even the CELL….Although you can do it with networked CELLs of 5, but not one, especially in the PS3 with only 6 SPE’s….. I hope that you understand that short computer science lesson….
Well… that is right! The Cell and Xenos are different.. Xenos is a shader engine while the Cell is for computing. We should be comparing the Xenon with the Cell and RSX with Xenos… Right?
This was my first comparison between RSX and Xenos.
Xenos has a 96 billion Maximum shader per second while the RSX has 100 billion Maximum shader per second.
Xenos has a maximum of 24 billion dot product operations per second while the RSX has a maximum of 51 billion dot product per second.
Xenos has a maximum texel (TEXture piXEL)fillrate of 8 gigatexel per second (16 textures X 500Mhz), while the RSX has maximum texel fillaret of 13.2 gigatexels per second (24 textures X 550Mhz)
Xenos has a 1.5 billion vertices per second and at a maximum polygon count of 500 million per second while the RSX has a 1.2 billion vertices per second at a maximum polygon count of 450 million ploygons per second.
Xenos has a maximum Z (for 3-D) sample rate of 8 gigsamples per second while the RSX has a maximum of 8.8 gigasamples per second.
you decide…
Xenos is working on its own while the RSX is working on with Cell having a separate pixel and vertex pipelines.
Probably RSX devs has their reasons why did they not try to design a graphic engine using unified pipelines.
It will all depend on the Cell… and I believe that devs will be able to utilize the Cell’s computing power for the benefit of having better graphics.
YEah thats right… The RSX works closley with the CELL to deliver while the Xenos is by itself…
It seems you are quoting the specs ofthe RSX vs. the Xenos, and I have say, youleft alot of information out. You quoted the Xenos has a maximum Z (for 3-D) sample rate of 8 gigsamples per second while the RSX has a maximum of 8.8 gigasamples per second.
Well, you left out the 2Z sample rate, and the 4xAA…. The Xenos has 32 gigasamples per second using 4X anti aliasing (2 Z samples x 8 ROPs x 4X AA x 500 MHz)…Maximum anti-aliasing sample rate: 16 gigasamples per second (4 AA samples x 8 ROPs x 500 MHz) I don’t even think the RSX can do 4x anti aliasing without taking up much processor performance.
You also quoted:
“Xenos has a maximum texel (TEXture piXEL)fillrate of 8 gigatexel per second (16 textures X 500Mhz), while the RSX has maximum texel fillaret of 13.2 gigatexels per second (24 textures X 550Mhz)”
But you left out texure adressing. The RSX has 8 and the Xenos has 16. The RSX does have more texture filtering units @ 24 to the Xenos’ 16, but the Xenos has texture reprosessing and better memory resources.
The RSX is a good GPU, but the Xenos is better. The RSX depends on the CELL for much of it’s white paper performance specs. I really thing Sony added more numbers in that have been donated by the CELL. But,like I said, we will see if the developers can master the CELL… But I think there is no doubt, that the Xenos is a nice peice of work by itself…
Just like what I said… That was my first comparison between the two. RSX having separate pixel and vertex pipelines is so much dependent to the computing power of the Cell. The Xenos maybe is powerfull than RSX but I THINK that by utilizing the Cell’s power it can be better.
So, Sony lied about the performance of it’s product? Repeatedly?
That’s not a surprise.
It’s nice evidence to see that Burnout Paradise and DMC4 have both been developed for the ps3 have ported over to the 360 without any issue whatsoever. Even getting better reviews on the 360 in places.
http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=burnout+paradise&ty=3&x=0&y=0
http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sb=0&tfs=all&ts=devil+may+cry+4&ty=3&x=0&y=0
Kind of slaughters the idea that the ps3 is the unobtainably more powerful console (the one that Sony pushed relentlessly, along with their ’1080p gaming’ thing which everyone else knew wasn’t going to happen), and in my eyes makes it seem lame.
You have to wonder if these titles were developed firstly on 360 how much better they could have been!
The end of it is, basically, the two platforms can pump out similar quality games, but the 360 has more of them, exclusively, or designed with that in mind. It has the better service features (when it’s running nicely..) and the better controller.
What’s more is that it uses the world’s most popular media disc!
i think that the ps3 is better but thats just me ive never really liked the xbox but lets see what happens in the future..
your all retarted the PS3 is so much better becuase it uses less graphic pipelines and comes out with a lot more power but slightly worst graphics. losers PS3 is so the best the only reason u think 360 is better is becuase you dont hav like $500 you cheap basterds
Lemon? The PS3 never had serious problems like the three red lights of death, disc scratching, HD add on not working and overheating hardware. Obviously the X-Box 360 is a Lemon.
Yes. Lemon. Indeed.
Wonder how the 20GB ps3 users will feel when they have to uninstall their games to install new ones?
How ‘console’ is that?
Uhh… the 360 arcade bundle comes with a ‘memory unit’.
That’s not even a hard drive.
I wonder how those folks feel when they’re deleting save games… but I guess that’s pretty console, eh?
Nintendo games only had three save slots on average.
For shame, Sony… only shipping 20 gigabytes.. and for the same price too.
Sorry, how much extra was a hard drive for the 360?
Oh I can buy the other bundle.. that’s right…
How much extra is a wireless adaptor? How much is the charger cord? How much is the battery for that wireless controller? It’s ok… i’ll buy AA’s.
I’m so happy the 360 comes with an HDMI port now…
Funny thing PS3′s had that all along.. same price too..
Does anybody own a 360 HD-DVD drive and not the HDMI port? Is that possible?
Sorry, how console is what?
Xbox 360 is now, PS3 is the future.
i dont know all these numbers, but from many shop owners of reputable names, they told me that the ps3 is slightly faster but the 360′s graphics is slightly better. Both will give different results in future, but both to satisfications. There is a xbox 360 is my room, and there is gna be a ps3 in the hall, my father’s gna buy a blu-ray player. But i dont give a shit about which one will be more polished. I am looking for the games! And to me, even till now (2008), i am looking forward to the games that are exclusive for the 360 , like fable 2. Sure the ps3 has more this year, but im not gonna buy all the games in the world either! If it wasnt for GTA and DMC, i would have bought the ps3. Please stop fighting, cause Sony and Microsoft dont care about us, they just want out money.If you want something to care for you, go hire a nanny.
after debating and musing over this site trying to decide which system to get for christmas! i inevetably got a ps3.
now its great dosnt break dosnt take as long as the ps2 to load games up… but what games??? there are about 20 games for this system and half of them are crap!
and five of the best ones are already on Xbox!
ratchet and clank made it into the top five?!! who do they make this 450euro system for? 8 year olds?!
i thought sony had something big about to fall out of their sleeves in january coz i cldnt belive they’d expect ppl to buy a system that had fuckall games!
but 2 months on and it still has fuckall games! i think they just wanted to release a system and make a once off 450 euros off punters and then scrap the project!
GET AN XBOX!
I own an XBOX 360, what a load of shite there shit and all there good for is pissing on. What the fuck happened, I feel sick now going to the toilet. AIl I know is i hate my XBOX 360 and it hates me, it tells me to harm my self, and I do. Help me please help me. My XBOX is going to kill me, it told me. There real the computer are alive you just dont know it.
Well Niall…. Games will be a big issue for now but just wait till the PS3 will have it’s best titles out.
Do you still remember when the PS2 first came out 8 years ago while the DC is getting the stardom? They say that the DC has better graphics, they say that the DC has better games and Dev’s say that the PS2 is VERY hard to program.. well… I say that the PS2 still rocks.. even with the presence of the 7th generation of consoles.
So I believe that history will just repeat itself… Dev’s probably does not have the proper tools to utilize the cell, for now.
DC fanboys are laughing at the PS2 because it has lame games and less software but look at you know? Sega decided not to manufacture consoles because they know they don’t have a chance.. I think the same fate will also happen to the 360.
Well said.
Panzer Dragoon… where’s Space Harrier for the PS3? and 360… and Wii?
The PlayStation platform being hard to develop for is just a myth. No console manufacturer in their right mind would develop such a system. The real fact is that all the PlayStation generations have had a more seemingly exciting system as a competitor: PS1: Saturn and N64; PS2: Dreamcast; PS3: Wii.
Games developers are taking that opportunity to squeeze every penny and glory out of those competitors whilst at the same time slowly developing for the PlayStation until all the hype over the other machines has subsided. Their excuse? The PlayStation is very hard to develop for so we need more time to figure it out. lol.
As the competitors start to wade the PlayStation will still be going strong and will gain more momentum.
Right on the bucket!
It will always take some time for devs to develop games for newer consoles ( better games). If they will try to use the algorithm from 360 then, it is not utilizing the PS3′s power at all. Games will slowly surface up for the PS3. I can’t wait till God Of War III’s release date. GOW really looks great with the PS2 and imagine that on the PS3… It will be a totally jaw dropping experience.
PS3 here in Japan rocks… X-Box 360 bad sales… and easy to break with three red lights of death and disc scratching… bad business.
X-box 360 3 red lights and disc scratching.. ???????
In Japan… the PS3 rocks but the X-box 360 bad business. 3 red flashing lights and disc scratching. Wii is only good at first but what if you are not very inclined to be active? it is not for hardcore gamers and what is good about Super Smash Brothers Brawl? it is only for Kids. GET THE PS3!! it is the future!!
People here forget that it is the games that sell a system. What good 1st party game franchises does Sony have? (and remember, just because it only came out on PS2 does NOT make it a Sony franchise) God of War and Gran Turismo? Final Fantasy belongs to Square(Awesome)-Enix(Satan). The creator of Final Fantasy and much of the talent that made Final Fantasy work for Mistwalker. They only make games for, you guessed it, Microsoft. Think, was Final Fantasy X-2 (Or FFXII for that matter) anywhere near as good as FFX, FFVII, or FFVIII? Metal Gear Solid belongs to Konami. Most of the great games for PS2 were third party games. They have no loyalty at all to a console maker. Microsoft, on the other hand, has Fable, Gears of War, Halo(albeit sans Bungie), Forza, and many others. These Games will NEVER be on any other system besides XBOX.
And stop bashing M$ about the Ring of Death. I had two PS2s fail because of bad drives and Sony would not even fix them. At least Microsoft takes responsibility for their f###ups. I loved PS1, and despite the bad business with Sony I love the PS2. But the PS3 was made to push Blue Ray like some corner street pharmicist. It worked. Without PS3, Blue Ray lost hands down. But the idiots at the studios act like everybody who buys a PS3 will actually buy blue ray movies. I buy game consoles for the games. And I will NEVER buy a blue ray movie because the studios took away my right to choose which format I liked. Long live DVD.
I’d love for you to explain to m why God of War shouldn’t be consider a Sony franchise and Fable on the other hand should be consider an Microsoft one?
There are two God of Wars out for the PS2, one on the way for the PSP and one for the PS3 God knows in what development stage… while there’s only one Fable out on Xbox (don’t count the Lost Chapters as a title please…) and a sequel to fable on the way… is that a franchise then?
I have now a PS3 (60gb), Xbox 360, Wii, DS Lite and PSP, so I come without bias, let me tell you that for my money (just for what comes in the box the PS3 is better) and I have now more exclusive games for the PS3 than for the Xbox 360.
When I play the xbox probably my entire building knows it because that fan is LOUD! I always worry about those infamous rings of death, (don’t compare your two isolated ps2 cases to microsoft’s cause these have been happening since day one).
All consoles are great though.. but… if you have to have a winner, hands down Sony won!
M$’s ‘dominated’ because of marketing.
The PS3 may be the reason for Blu-Ray’s success, but I’m alright with that.
In a Console War like this, you’ve got to know where to strike, and Sony definetly made a great choice including a next gen video player with their console, as opposed to Microsoft who rushed their product out and many folks paid a hefty price.
Sony didn’t fix your issue? Boo hoo, they fixed mine. Two PS2′s have died on me in my history. Both were because of abuse or negligence.
Every system has experienced a recall, the PS, the PS2, and the XBox have all had power related issues. The XBox and PS2 Slim have both seen recall due to their power bricks overheating.
The 360 has never been recalled. The Wheel was recalled, for smoking in people’s homes, but the 360, for all it’s troubles just kept getting sold.
Don’t think that stores are sold out because of the system’s popularity. The truth is there is a shortage because of people swapping busted systems.
Plus, the accessories on the 360 are overpriced and proprietary.
As another poster just wrote: Bad business. Really bad business.
Ps. An example of M$’s sales tactics is apparant in their controllers.
The controller in the Red Package that’s Made for Windows is the exact same controller in the White Package you purchase for your 360.
It is priced ten dollars more expensive, consistantly at electronics outlets.
Again, it is the exact same controller.
You pay ten dollars for the software that you can download online for free?
The red package?
No, you’d pay ten dollars extra because you’ve been suckered.
Ei pcsandmotorcycles, Didn’t you know that Halo is supposed to be released on DS? and do you know why it was cancelled? Due to Microshit! They paid Bungie to cancel it, or maybe threatend them… who knows? Just like what they did to IBM years ago, that a computer released without Windows is illegal.
Almost all of Microsoft’s games are third party and don’t you know that the X-Box’s Xenon is third party? The only first party about X-Box is the name ” Microsoft “.
Don’t you know why Mistwalker is making games for Microsoft and not for Sony? Because he ( Mr. Sakaguchi ) is being financially backed up by Microsoft, and you are WRONG saying that Mistwalker is only making games for Microsoft, they are also making games for Nintendo such as ASH, Blue Dragon Plus and Away.
To let you know why Forza is Microsoft exclusive because Forza is from Microsoft game studios and Microsoft is the publisher of Fable that is why Fable is Microsoft exclusive and I don’t care if Microsoft has Forza, Sony has GT5. I don’t care if Microsoft has Fable or Halo… Sony has GOW and Killzone.. and those are all first party games! Made by Sony, Developed by Sony, Published By Sony for the ppl and for the PS3!
ok i dont no what all this technological mumbo jumbo that all of these nerds are talking about i mean does any one no what RSX or TFLOPS actually stands for and if u do u r pretty god damn sad. all i no is dat 360 has more and better games dan a Playstation 3 (BioShock,Gears of War,Halo 3,Saints Rows,Dead Rising,Lost Planet,Command and Conquer 3 and Crackdown) excludin PC,s cos they get pretty much every god damn game availible plus more just as gud if not better ones
BIOSHOCK FTW (p.s would you nerds stop arguin and return to yur basements or grow some balls and play BioShock??)
Your english skills are pretty goddamned sad.
Do they even let you out of the basement?
Again, i’d like to point out the common fan of the 360.
The PS3 has won for now.
If M$ gets enough help in the new year, the BluRay 360 with the smaller chip should prove competitive.
Also, they’re revamping Live (allegedly).
The battle rages on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_'Reality_Synthesizer‘
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFLOPS
And a new personal favorite:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=220
How in the name of god can you say that the last-place console of this generation has ‘won’? What’s it won?
Typical fan then eh? You need not try to paint 17m with the same brush. Those 17m chose the best gaming platform this generation. Absolutely nothing can remove that fact.
(ref metacritic for number of games in total, & number of 80% ratings)
Sucks to be someone that didn’t. Enjoy your fanboyism.
I think Xboxs get way too hot mine caught on fire WTF!!! now my 360 gets so hot it freezes every time i turn it on.
Well BioShock FTW!! I just want to inform you that Saints Row 2, Lost Planet and Command and Conquer 3 will also go out on the PS3 but MG4, UT3, GT5, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, FFXIII and especially GOW 3 will not go out on the 360 and why are you so Crazy about Bio Shock it will not live up to the title Metal Gear and it never will. More and better games? Maybe more games and not better games… for now. Wait till all the good titles will come out on the PS3. Just like the PS2 years ago.. it took them almost 3 years for the good titles to come out… and the rest will be history.
one name should bring an end to this debate, its BILL GATES. don’t underestimate his shrewdness and his genius. when ps2 and xbox went at it the first time around, Sony had a big head start, including more games, exclusive titles, etc. and not even one console release later the xbox 360 has an edge over the competition, that says a lot about microsofts strategy. it doesn’t come down to technology because it is too acute to feel. it comes down to business strategy, and when you turn your pc on you see microsofts logo not sony’s. I’d rather be reaping from bill gates greed rather than be on the other side of it.